New 10Be Study Confirms 14C Record.

The Carbon 14 record (INTCAL98) used as a solar proxy as used by Solanki and Usoskin is sometimes called into doubt. There have been attempts to cross check the results using  beryllium 10 (10Be) comparing running means over different time periods. But now we have a new report that produces 9300 years of 10Be data that can be compared with the 14C record. Initial results show a very promising match up.

The new report which can be found here shows one graph in particular that can be used to cross check the 14C record. Click on graphs for a full size view.

The comparison graph is a first pass and should be extended the full 9300 years and if possible the new data needs to be merged with Solanki’s data in a spreadsheet. My method of comparison as follows: The 14C data is taken directly from the Solanki data and graphed via excel spreadsheet. The Steinhilber graph saved from the original document is traced onto a transparent gif image layer and saved then overlaid onto the original Solanki graph. The Steinhilber overlay is then rescaled for X & Y coordinates to match the original Solanki scale.

There are a few anomalies between the 2 data sets but overall a very good match is found. The 14C record is now confirmed with perhaps some minor anomalies but some confidence is expected. The planetary line ups with their disturbance to Angular Momentum that cause Grand Minima are now validated by another independent source.

3 comments on “New 10Be Study Confirms 14C Record.

  1. Geoff Sharp

    OT (sorry) but I saw the latest “The Sky at Night” as ever hosted by Sir Patrick Moore – I’m not sure if you can see it down under? Anyhow it had a very interesting piece towards the end about the impact that the moons of Jupiter have on the gas giant and if I heard correctly the effect is greatest when they line up.

    I thought it interesting and wondered if you had heard about it?

    Though tiny in comparison they can have an amplified impact on Jupiter when aligned. I think the work and understanding of this type of impact on Jupiter is reasonably new.


    REPLY: Not sure we access to that program down here Paul, but sounds interesting. What was the impact?

  2. Geoff,

    I have watched the programme again (at a more sensible time I might add!) and the discussion is about tidal heating on the satellites – namely Io which turns out to be highly volcanic because of the orbital resonance that is being exerted by Jupiter and its moons.

    While perhaps, prima facie, not as exciting as I first thought I think it is still very relevant to your work.

    The moons of Jupiter seem to orbit in a set pattern – Io 4 orbits, Europa 2 orbits and Ganymede 1 orbit – and this resonance creates ‘tidal heating’ on Io which can be observed.

    I recall the inner planets orbit the Sun in an 11yr resonance and the outer planets a 179 year resonance – so I speculate that Jupiter and its satellites may be a scale model?

    We are far from knowing if the moons of Jupiter impact Jupiter in any way through a tidal heating process but at least the concept has further legs IMHO. (It at least leads credence to the thought that volcanic activity on Earth may be influenced in a similar way).

    Jupiter is I understand a ‘failed sun’ in that, had it been larger, it may have become a binary with our star. I guess one day we might find out that the tidal forces seen so clearly on that planet are heavily influenced by its satellites in much the same way that you suggest the Sun is influenced by its own satellites.

    I hope this helps in your thinking.

    Best Regards


    REPLY: That link you sent me is for the UK only unfortunately. From what I have read and seen the heat generated on Jupiter’s moons is from the massive gravity of Jupiter that is actually flexing the crust and internals of the moons. There is a very nice resonance in Jupiter’s moon system, perhaps it plays a part in varying the distance of the moons to Jupiter or perhaps its just normal tidal forces?

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